Plé úsáideora:Chaco

Haigh, a Chaco, agus tá fáilte romhat chuig an Vicipéid! Go raibh maith agat as do chuid dréachtaí a sheoladh isteach. Tá súil agam go mbainfidh tú taitneamh as d'am anseo! Tá sé éasca ailt nua a chruthú, agus téigh go dtí an Halla Baile chun caint leis na Vicipéideoirí eile (más mian leat é sin a dhéanamh), nó téigh go dtí an Lárionad Comhphobail chun breathnú ar na heachtraí Vicipéide is déanaí. Tá breis eolais fóinteach in ár reamhrá, freisin.

Más é do thoil é, sínigh do chuid theachtaireachtaí ar leathanaigh phlé le ceithre thilde a chlóscríobh (~~~~); ciallaíonn sé sinn go hionsáfar d'ainm úsáideora agus an dáta go huathoibríoch. Má tá cabhair ag teastail uait, féach ar Vicipéid:Cabhair, nó cuir ceist dom armo leathanach phlé. Uair amháin eile, fáilte romhat! --AllieBot 23:13, 29 Deireadh Fómhair 2009 (UTC)

Traslitriú déanta agam

Tá an traslitriú déanta agam anois ar an leathanach faoi Bhó na nGarbhchríoch más maith leat dul ann agus súil a chaitheamh ar. Pointe amháin faoin traslitriú - chan fhuil mé ró chinnte faoi. Dúirt tú go raibh tú ar thóir traslitriú as ortagrafaíocht Ghaeilge Mhanann go ortagrafaíocht Ghaeilge na hÉireann. Cha raibh mé ábalta é sin a dhéanamh son an chuid is mó ach rinne mé an iarracht é sin a dhéanamh. Le meas, --MacTire02 21:36, 6 Mí na Nollag 2009 (UTC)

Gender in Irish

A chara! Thanks for the work that you have been doing. When creating articles, make sure that you pay attention to the gender of each noun. This can be checked in any dictionary, or quickly online at focal.ie. When using an article, masculine nouns do not change, but feminine nouns take a 'h'. Eg an fear (masc, no change) but an phéacóg (fem, h added). Gimme a shout if this isn't clear. GRMA!--Antóin 18:36, 6 Márta 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I will try Antóin. As you can see, I don't know a lot about Irish grammar. Thanks for the support and probably will need to ask you a few questions in the future. Bye! Chaco

No worries, and feel free to ask anytime. --Antóin 15:51, 10 Márta 2010 (UTC)

There is one thing which I would wish to add. What has been said by user Antóin is correct when a noun in the nominative that comes after the article begins with any CONSONANT other than s.

But when S is the initial letter, it is necessary to place a t in front of the feminine noun rather than adding a h: "síocháin", yet "an tsíocháin".

However, it is the case that when the noun begins with a VOWEL, it is the FEMININE nouns that remain unchanged after the article - for the masculine one must place t. For example "ainmhí", yet "an t-ainmhí". órang-útan yet an t-órang-útan.

I understand that this may have a complicated appearance...:)

Your advice is very useful a Mhangaire, go raibh maith agat Chaco 19 Márta 2010

Quoting from the previous comment above: But when S is the initial letter, it is necessary to place a t in front of the feminine noun rather than adding a h: "síocháin", yet "an tsíocháin".

It is in fact more complicated still, the 't' is placed before feminine nouns starting with 's' in the nomnitive case ONLY when the 's' is followed by a vowel or 'l','n' or 'r'. Thus the example given is correct:

síocháin -> 'an tsíocháin' BUT

scoil -> 'an scoil', or more relevantly

scréchóg -> 'an scréachóg', rather than 'an tscréachóg', which appeared in your entry for scréachóg reilige.

Welcome to the joys of Irish grammar :)

(Usjes)

True, it must be said that it never occurred to me that one unfamiliar with the matter would not necessarily realise that no t would be added where that would make an impermissible consonant cluster! A definite omission in my explanations. Thanks to the user Usjes, and it is my hope that you, Chaco, find it of use.

I'll try, but to be honest I'm just going to keep any articles I create as brief as possible in the hope that others will edit them in the future Chaco 19 Bealtaine 2010

Cats

Hi. Keep up the good work on creating those stubs/etc. I'd recommending keeping an eye out on the corrections/changes that others are making to the stubs though - so you can avoid repeating minor format/syntax/grammar problems. One quick thing to look out for is how categories are alhpabetised. See this change. Note that the correct form is "LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME". (Not FIRSTNAME LASTNAME). Also see this change in which I've used DEFAULTSORT to set the alpha order just once (so all cats use the same format). Cheers. (PS: The "ainm_breithe" section is for birth names. Kirk Douglas was born Issur Danielovitch, not as you'd indicated.)Guliolopez 14:36, 17 Mí na Samhna 2010 (UTC)

Wikisource, youtube, etc

Haigh - Me again. (In English for clarity). Glad to see you're sticking with the project. Just had a few further recommendations:

1. The project is not intended as a repository of texts, prayers, poems, etc. Articles can and should discuss works, but it is not a repository for the works themselves. If a work is not copyrighted it should be in Wikisource. We shouldn't have articles here where the only content is the work itself.
2. Youtube links are not "banned" per sé, but they need to meet the External Links guidelines. All links (including videos) should be meritable, directly relevant to the topic, and provide some value not directly communicable in the article itself. A link to a last recording of a local dialect is probably relavant/meritable to an article on that locality. But a link to one of many recordings of a song probably isn't.
3. Not a big one, but section headings should ideally be lower case.
4. Am sure you are already, but please take note of follow-on corrections that other's make to your edits - so learn for future.

Cheers. Guliolopez 17:25, 21 Mí na Nollag 2010 (UTC)

Hi Guliolopez thank you for your input. It seems a shame that Youtube cannot be used as an external link but I can understand the reasons why. As for mistakes I have been making, I assumed that was the remit of the adminstrator to correct them. After all, how would this project cope with minor mistakes if there wasn't ten people contributing, but a thousand?

On that note, I find it disappointing that there are not more contributors. I think those that have been contributing regularly have been doing a wonderful job in creating a unique resource for the Irish language, but I just think there are just not enough to truly realise its potential. Why is this? Why are not more of all those 400,000 people supposedly fluent in the language contributing? I am not from Ireland, so I do not know how well known this wiki is to the Irish speaking community. But surely more should be done to promote this project as the essential resource for the Gaelic community? Chaco 21 Mí na Nollag 2010

Gramadach

Nollaig shona duit a chara! Ba mhaith liom leid a thabhairt duit. In abairt mar seo, nó mar seo, ba cheart "Is cathair san Iosrael é Nazarat", "Is leabhar sa Bhíobla é Soiscéál Eoin" a scríobh. Is abairtí aicme iad, seachas abairtí ionannais. Féach [1], [2]. Tameamseo 18:26, 25 Mí na Nollag 2010 (UTC)

Nollaig faoi séan agus faoi shonas a Thameaseo :-) Go raibh maith agat den comhairle agus déanfaidh mé mo dhícheall leis mo chuid gramadach a fheabhsú. Chaco 25 Mí na Nollag 2010

Island(s)

Hi. Can you please hold off on creating island stubs with the following construction "Is oileáin ar chósta na hÉireann iad X". This is only valid for island groups. For example, saying "Fota island are islands off the cost of Ireland" is grammatically incorrect. Fota is one island. Not an island group, so using the plural is incorrect. (Also, strictly speaking Fota is in Cork Harbour, so it's not "off the coast" either.) In general I'd advise that you check with someone on the format of a template or stub before going hell-for leather applying that template to lots of new articles. Cheers. Guliolopez 13:37, 17 Iúil 2011 (UTC)

I'll change the construction a bit if the article is about only one island. But really, I'm just concentrating on creating these articles and hoping people will correct them and add more information to them in the future. Go raibh maith agat.Chaco17:17, 17 Iúil 2011 (UTC)

Towns

Hi. Me again. Sorry for continually suggesting improvements, but, before you create too many more stubs, take a look at this tweak to your template. In short:

• We have "towns in county X" categories. Best to use them instead of the parent county category.
• Maigh Eo links to the town article. Contae Mhaigh Eo is the county article.
• String very short sentences together if you can.

Also, if you have the time and wouldn't mind, it would be of great help to fix up a lot of existing "sub-stub" town articles before creating any more. Take a look here for example. There's lots of two word "articles" on towns that don't have links, interwikis or categories. It'd be of great help to the project if someone could bring these up to stub standard. Either by just adding adding links, cats, and interwikis, or (if you have the time) adding infoboxes as well. Cheers. Guliolopez 11:40, 20 Iúil 2011 (UTC)

A couple of points..

Hi Chaco. First of all I'd like to say well done on all the hard work you've been doing. However (there's always a however...) could I draw you to a couple of points regarding style.

• I notice that when you are creating articles you generally initiate the article with the following structure:

Is [[bá]] é '''Bá Dhún na nGall.'''

The idea behind the three inverted commas is to highlight the primary theme of the article; in this case it's Bá Dhún na nGall. However, you have been including the full-stop in the title. Could you try in future to use the following structure instead:

Is [[bá]] é '''Bá Dhún na nGall'''.

If you notice, the full-stop is located outside the inverted commas.

• Another point to remark upon is the category section. If we take the same article on Donegal Bay (Bá Dhún na nGall) you have given the following category structure:

[[Catagóir:Contae Shligigh |Bá Dhún na nGall]]

There are two problems with this structure. The first relates to the category name. You have placed a space between Shligigh and the divider with the alphabetisation. While this is not a critical error it does add up to more space being used on wikipedia's servers. It's only 1byte in size, but if we were to take every article and namespace across all wikipedias and do the same there we would be looking at gigabytes of wasted space. Try to remove any unnecessary spaces if you can, please. On alphabetisation, personally I prefer using the following template:

{{DEFAULTSORT:articlename}}

Using this template allows future users to add in more categories without having to also add in the secondary part of the category (that part situated to the right of the divider line |). Simply place this template directly above the categories and it will automatically alphabetise/sort the article in the following categories. On a further point on alphabetisation related to the Irish language. Letters with diacritics (á, é, í, à, è, ò, etc.) are categorised as separate letters according to Unicode. However, in the Gaelic languages these letters are not considered separate from their primary carriers (a, e, i, etc.). So when alphabetising simply spell the word without the diacritics. An example of good categorising, using the Bá Dhún na nGall article as an example, would be the following:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Ba Dhun na nGall}}

[[Catagóir:Contae Shligigh]]

Note that I used the DEFAULTSORT template directly above the category, I removed the superfluous space in the category itself, and I removed the diacritics in order to correctly alphabetise the title.

• One final point on Gaelic alphabetisation - the definite article, whether or not it is included as part of a compound name (i.e. placename, name of language, etc.) is never used when alphabetising. i.e. An Fhraincis should be alphabetised under Fhraincis and not An Fhraincis. In this case the DEFAULTSORT template should read as follows:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Fhraincis, An}}

Likewise, surnames in Irish are alphabetised according to the primary component of the surname. In other words, someone with the surname Murchú should be alphabetised as follows:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Murchu, Maidhc O}} for masculine Ó names

{{DEFAULTSORT:Mhurchu, Sorcha Ni}} for feminine Ó names

{{DEFAULTSORT:Mhurchu, Aine Ui}} for Uí names, and so on.

If you have any questions just answer here or leave me a message at my talk page on the Manx Wikipedia. Best of luck and keep up the great work. ^Mac Tíre _Cowag 21:40, 24 Bealtaine 2012 (UTC)